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Analysis of status of Catt Driving Licence
Ivor
Catt
16 February 2010
Ivor Catt has never had a driving lesson, and in fifty
years has never crashed.
On leaving hospital in May 2008, Ivor Catt immediately continued driving, driving around
England and the continent for a year.
Because of his hospitalisation , DVLA then
decided that Ivor Catt should have another driving
test. This he failed.
The test (1) was in two
parts. First, in the office, to test for brain damage leading to reduction in
ability, for instance, to “double task”, as is necessary while driving. Catt
scored highly in the office test.
The second part was a
driving test in the car, which Catt failed.
The report from the testing
house to the DVLA was minimal, and did not distinguish between medical
condition and driving competence. [Note 1]
There were at this stage
two possible problems; medical condition and driving competence. The failure
report did not discuss medical condition separately.
Some months later, Catt’s
GP told the DVLA that his medical condition had markedly improved, so the
DVLA said he could have another driving test (2), but would not let him
[practice driving or] have driving lessons before the test. So the DVLA
arranged another driving test, but no retest of medical condition.
Since he had previously
failed only on driving competence, not on medical condition, he should have
been allowed driving lessons before the new test, but they were denied to
him. However, before this second test, DVLA wrote to say that if he failed
again, a decision might be made to allow him to have driving lessons before a
third test (3).
[June/July
2010. A decision has now been made, contrary to previous paragraph, to refuse
to allow Catt to have driving practice, driving lessons or a driving test.
This decision is influenced by the report on my second failure. Since I have
now been prevented from driving practice or driving lessons for a year, it
should be expected that my driving competence would deteriorate. However,
after a year without driving or driving lessons, the second report (which is
hard to read) is much better than the first.]
Note
1. 30 July 2010. The report form is unclear, but I now realise that there was
a distinction made between medical condition and driving competence. The
report on medical condition (the in office test lasting more than an hour)
contains ten words, as follows;
Speech
and Language: Satifactory
Memory:
Satisfactory
Reasoning
Ability: Significant Deficit Noted
Concentration/Attention:
Significant Deficit Noted
Behaviour:
Extremely Inappropriate
During
the office test my partner was present, and she will testify that this
totally misrepresents what happened.
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http://www.ivorcatt.org/x0808.htm
Hertfordshire
Action on Disability falsified a test report
Compare with this report 1 and 2
Should
the DVLA use HAD?
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Ivor Catt,
121 Westfields,
St. Albans AL3 4JR
England
+44 (0)1727 864257
19 June 2010
Second copy sent 6 July 2010
Anne Main MP,
House of Commons,
London SW1A 0AA
Dear
Anne Main,
A
process has been going on for two years which exposes a serious problem with
the DVLA which is very damaging for me personally but which also has to be
dealt with from the point of view of the general public. I analyse it on my
website at http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/x.htm
I
have never had a driving lesson. After more than forty years of driving without
crashing, I have had my driving licence withdrawn. The reason must be driving
competence. I am not allowed driving lessons with a view to improving my
driving competence. It appears to me that to be allowed to have driving
lessons towards improving competence towards (re)gaining a driving licence is
a fundamental human right which is being denied to me. Not being allowed to
drive has a massive effect on my life.
I
had a very serious medical problem which was resolved. Then a year ago I
passed the exhaustive DVLA medical test with flying colours. However, the
DVLA refuse to distinguish between medical condition and driving competence.
I
have gone through the DVLA Appeals procedure, which is obviously circular.
Having exhausted their internal complaints procedure, their procedure
indicates that I should then approach my MP.
Yours
sincerely,
(Ivor Catt)
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I just phoned Theresa, and had a return call from
Robert Oxley (and now one from Theresa) in the Anne Main office.
Robert told me I did not need to email Theresa, but for certain reasons I am
emailing her and you Robert anyway.
I discuss the case at http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/x.htm
Ivor Catt. 12 July 2010
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DVLA leaflet INS101 "Customer service guide and what to do if things go
wrong. .... The four-step procedure is as follows. .... Step 4 If you think
we have not done everything we could have done to settle your complaint, you
may want to contact a member of Parliament. They may
refer the matter to the
Parliamentary Health Service Ombudsman (PHSO)."
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"Parliamentary and Health Service Ombudsman leaflet.PHSO-0042 November
2009.
Bringing a complaint to the Parliamentary Ombudsman.
....
....
Complaints about government organisations must be referred to the Ombudsman
by an MP.
....
....
If you are still unhappy after you have completed this process, then you
should ask an MP to refer the complaint to us."
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I learn that Judicial Review, although very appropriate,
"The procedure can be used where:- an official
or body has acted in a way that no reasonable official or body should have
acted; or ...."
is very high cost and full of man-traps. I have been in court to witness
Judicial Review. That leaves us with the Ombudsman or with hiring lawyers to
sue the DVLA. The latter will be expensive.
Ivor Catt
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Ivor
Catt,
121 Westfields,
St. Albans AL3 4JR
England
+44 (0)1727 864257
16 February 2010
Second copy sent 5 March 2010
Third copy sent Recorded
Delivery 19 March 2010
Fourth copy sent 1 April 2010
Dr. J G G Hanley, Medical
Adviser,
Drivers Medical Group,
DVLA, Swansea SA99 1TU
Your Ref. M14645260/Dyasonc
Dear Dr. Hanley,
I failed the driving test on 9 February 2010, failure
certificate enclosed.
Following your letter dated 25 November 2009, copy
enclosed, I particularly refer to your last sentence. I am writing to ask you
to give permission for me to have driving lessons leading to another driving
test.
My analysis of the situation is at http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/x.htm
Yours sincerely,
(Ivor Catt)
cc Philip Gomm
Head of External Communications
Royal Automobile Club Foundation
89 Pall Mall
LONDON
SW1Y 5HS
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Ivor Catt,
121 Westfields,
St. Albans AL3 4JR
England
+44 (0)1727 864257
21 April 2010
Dr. J G G Hanley, Medical
Adviser,
Drivers Medical Group,
DVLA, Swansea SA99 1TU
Your Ref. M14645260/Dyasonc
Dear
Dr. Hanley,
Thank
you for your letter dated 15 April.
You
wrote; “All cases at DVLA are dealt with normally on the basis of date
arrival.” This is very wrong in my case, which has drifted on for more than a
year (due to DVLA delays) – two years after I came out of hospital. It is not
a normal case.
You
instructed me to “take this reply together with copies of the driving
assessments and discuss them with your General Practitioner. If he/she thinks
there has been a favourable improvement since your most recent driving assessment .... “ His reaction
was the same as mine, that judgement of driving competence is not within his
remit.
My
G.P. Dr. Ferguson told me to ask you to write to him to discuss the matter.
When
first tested in an exhaustive hour and a half in office test of my medical
condition a year ago, the examiners told me I passed with high marks – I
would say with nearly 100% marks. That should have ended matters medical.
When you let me have another test, you made it only a driving test and not
medical, presumably accepting that medical state was not in question. Of
course, your major error, since driving competence was the only issue, was to
deny me driving lessons. I would repeat that in more than fifty years of
driving, I have never had a crash and never had a driving lesson. Obviously
driving style is the only issue, requiring driving lessons.
My
analysis of the situation is at http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/x.htm
I
have started your complaints procedure, which I have only now learnt about,
writing to Carole Evans, Customer Services Manager, but she forwarded it to
Mrs J Brooks, whose letter is headed “Drivers Medical Group”, which my
complaint was about. The letter from Mrs. J Brooks expressed regret but she
obviously failed to study the case.
Yours
sincerely,
(Ivor Catt)
Encl.
My summary for Dr. Ferguson on our meeting on 21 April.
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Driving and medical problems
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The full text of this letter is
an orphan at http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/9992.htm
Ivor Catt,
121
Westfields,
St.
Albans AL3 4JR
01727
864257
31
July 2009
Dr. Ferguson,
Midway Surgery
93 Watford Road
Chiswell Green
St.Albans
Herts
AL2 3JX
Dear Dr. Ferguson,
I don't think you need to read
below the line, where there is an analysis of what happened during the
medical test. You can reach it all at http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/9992.htm
All that is needed is that I
tell you my proposals, which are as follows.
In early September, on return
from four weeks in Cairo and Alexandria, Liba and
I will visit you. Then, please get in touch by phone with the DVLA
"Medical Adviser" who wrote to you his reaction to the report
which you have received, and of which you made a copy for me. He is Dr. J G
G Hanley, available between 10am and 1pm at 0870
600 0301
His letter to you is dated 15
June 2009, his ref. M14645260/JB/T7, and the report from the testing house
is dated 10 June 2009, medical ref. no. JMD/M14645260/T7. You have both
those documents.
In early September you should
be able to tell Dr Hanley that my medical condition has significantly
improved, justifying a second medical appraisal.
You mentioned driving lessons.
For this purpose, the procedure is for you to consult with Dr Hanley to
find out what I need to do to get the Provisional Driving Licence, which
will enable me to take driving lessons followed by a driving test.
Ivor
Catt
Dear doctor Ferguson,
Let me to write you the facts
about the test of Ivor, my partner in Forum of
Mobility Centres ln Welwyn, Herts. In this center two men, I do not
remember their names and I know that they have no names on their cloths,
tested Ivor through the different types of the
test. They did not explain the tests. Ivor made
these tests very easily, pleasently. The atmosfere was very nice and ivor
talked about his stay in hospital, about the driving tests which he passed
in the past three times, finaly succesfully, he talked about his driving in the past
which is without car accidents for fifty years.After
cca..thirty minutes Ivor was asked to do the driving by car with these two
men, I was nor allowed to be present. After 40 minutes driving Ivor come back to me into the car and said that his
driving licence is revoked. For me this decision of these two men was
incompetent. Ivor was put into enormes stress with these two men in this mobility center, which efected badly
his health and uor life as well. I hope that the
doctors will solve this problem honestly and truthfuly.
Thank you very much.
Yours
Sincerely.
Libuse
Mikova-Mika
academic painter
partner of Ivor
Catt (MA)
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Analysis.
The representative for the DVLA
told me that the DVLA only received the two page
"Driving Assessment Report" no. D794, which you have. For a two
and a half hour session, that is remarkable.
From the scanty two page
document, it seems impossible to distinguish between "medical
assessment" and "driving assessment". Now both of these can
change, and I rely on that rather than to go through the arduous procedure
of going to a magistrate's court to get the revocation of my licence
overruled..
The test took
place in two halves, first a test in the office, and second a driving
test. Liba witnessed the test in the office,
which was very good. The testers reported that I scored very high on all
the tests. My informant at the DVLA did not know which test the section
"Cognitive and Perceptual Assessment" applied to. He checked with
his supervision, and then reported that it covered both the office test and
the driving test.
I have found out that the test
was devised by the Forum of Mobility Centres. It did not come from the
DVLA. After the test, the Forum fills in a two page Report given to them by
the DVLA. The DVLA does not give the Forum guidlines
as to how to fill in the report, and do not know which half of the test, in
the office or in the car, are referred to in each section of the resulting
report. In my case, the fact that I scored very high in all the tests in
the office disappeared from the resulting report.
The two page report makes no
attempt to distinguish between medical condition and driving competence. In
contrast, the test in the office was an excellent test on medical
condition, but there was no evidence of this in the resulting report.
Now medical condition can
change, and also driving competence can change. In these circumstances, it
is most important to distinguish between medical condition and driving competence.
For instance, it bears on your suggestion of driving lessons, which could
be expected to improve driving but not medical condition.
I have always passed car
driving tests, in England, California and Arizona. Since I passed the
English driving test in 1952, I have an impeccable driving record. Not only
have I never crashed, but nobody has crashed into me during the 57 years,
except for one man some 15 years ago. The police told him he was totally to
blame, and his insurance paid. Recently I had a 17 year no claim discount
for car insurance. I have been driving wihtout
incident for the year since I came out of hospital in May 2008, including
driving in the Czech Republic and Austria. My driving during that year is
clearly just the same as my driving during the previous 57 years.
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25 July 2012
Dear Dr. J G G Hanley,
I have just completed a 4,000 mile journey to the bottom of
Spain and back without incident.
You will remember that you prevented me from driving for three
years, in the end preventing me from practising
driving, having driving lessons or having driving tests.
After I had spent £5,000 and the taxpayer had spent an
estimated further £5,000, and the case was finally coming to court, the
DVLA gave me back my driving licence without my passing a driving test.
Your behaviour cost a total of £10,000.
Your behaviour throughout was illogical.
I am very concerned that you may well be behaving in the same
way with other drivers, and feel I need to do what I can to prevent this.
I can easily put the whole saga on the www. http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/x.htm
You may have information for me which will reassure me that
you are not doing the same to other drivers, or that you will not do so in
future.
Ivor Catt
01727 864257
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Joe Oldman <Joseph.Oldman@ageuk.org.uk>
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12:37 PM (22 hours ago)
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From: Joe Oldman
Sent: 06 March 2015 12:34
To: 'Ivor Catt '
Cc: valued supporter; Natasha Horsfield
Subject: Older Drivers
Dear Mr Catt
Thank you for
contacting us about your situation and the difficulties you’ve experienced
with the DVLA. I think you also recently spoke to Natasha in our campaigns
team.
Your case highlights
administrative and procedural failings in the way your
driving assessment was carried out. It also highlights a problem with the
complaints system which created unnecessary cost and delay in appealing the
decision. We are concerned that all older drivers are treated fairly when
required to take an assessment.
A decision over the
withdrawal of a licence should be based on the ability to drive safely,
rather than the age of the driver. Assessments should have clear and
consistent criteria and be carried out by qualified people. The criteria
used and assessment process are obviously important to protect the safety
of the driver, other road users and pedestrians.
I’m pleased you won
your appeal - but agree that the cost seems excessive – especially given
the eventual outcome .
Unfortunately we are not in a position to take up individual cases and
we don’t have the resources or expertise to review your case. However, we
are looking at the DVLA policy and want to ensure all older drivers are
being treated fairly.
There are several
initiatives we are involved in which you may find of interest.
We have been invited
to join an advisory group to devise an older driver strategy – which has
the backing of the Department of Transport. This will give us the
opportunity to raise issues around assessments.
We are running a
free one day conference in June at the Mobility Roadshow
to discuss safety issues for older drivers – which you may be interested in
attending.
http://www.mobilityroadshow.co.uk/
We are members of
the Age Action Alliance on Transport – I’ve have put the assessment of
older drivers on the agenda for the next meeting.
http://ageactionalliance.org/theme/transport/
I apologise that we
are not able to get more involved in your case – but we are giving
consideration to problems with medical assessments and their potential
impact on older drivers.
If you would like
more information about any of the issues above please contact me.
Kind regards – Joe Oldman (Policy Adviser – Housing + Transport)
The general election is coming.
Ask your future MP to become an Age Champion.
www.ageuk.org.uk/votelaterlife
#votelaterlife
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