From http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/tony12.htm
Comments for Ivor Catt [by Tony Davies from
five years ago]:
Filters
I will start by responding
to your saying that you did not know what a passive filter was. For
sure
terminology can often be
a problem and sources of deep misunderstandings. More of that later. I
give a
long answer, because much
of my life has been in the Circuit Theory field, which has been a ‘foundation’
for my attitudes to other
topics.
Historically I believe
that Campbell was one of the first to develop the concept of what was then
called a
‘wave
filter’ – according to A.T. Starr (Electric Circuits and Wave Filters, Pitman,
1938), Campbell said: A
wave filter is a device
for separating waves characterised by a difference in frequency.
Of course, all that they
were thinking of was ‘steady state’ analogue telecommunications, no pulses or
digital
technology.
It started with
Heaviside’s circuit model [Note 1] (a cascade of Series L,R
and parallel C, G elements) for a finite
length of uniform
transmission, with increased accuracy as the circuit components becomes greater
in
number and at the same
time smaller in value – so that the real line was the limit of an infinite
number of
infinitesimally small L,R,C,G components. From this model all
the conventional ideas of characteristic
impedance, propagation
constant, etc. and formulae for input impedance of terminated lines and so on
all
follow.
….
Narrow band filter
looking for 2kHz:
About your story of a
very narrow band filter with a centre frequency of 2kHz, I believe anyone with
any
experience and competence
in classical filter design, old fashioned circuit theory etc, would know very
well
that whatever the input
signal to such a filter was, all that could come out in
steady state conditions would be
a 2kHz sine wave.
Wrong. You should remove; “in steady state conditions”. All
that can ever come out, regardless
of input. Every input is turned into a 2kHz output. It uses all energy input to
create 2kHz output.
….
Tony Davies
2017 April 4th
Note 1. Here, Heaviside
was dealing, not with theory, but with an imperfect, lossy transmission line.
The above is Wrong.
When a signal is inputted into a transmission line,
the “impedance” it experiences is resistive.
It has nothing to do with L,R,C,G . It sees Ω.
Here we see why Davies did not understand when
electromagnetics rapidly switched from analog to
digital in 1965.
Pythagoras is about a triangle with lines of zero
width, with squares with lines of zero width. Similarly, the theory of the
transmission line is of perfect conductors and dielectrics. It involves no L,R,C,G. It involves only Ω and c. The
conductors and dielectric are perfect.
Does Tony have a completely different “story” when
what he would call “DC” is sent down a transmission line? What does the “DC” signal
make of the alleged Ls and Cs?
Catt and Davidson keep out of this entangled mess. http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/x18j51.pdf
They know that the energy can only travel at the speed of light. Each “sliver”
of energy density does not know whether it is part of a sine wave. It knows
nothing of what is, or may be, immediately ahead of it or behind it. When
introduced to the entry to a transmission line, it sees a resistance Zo, not L
and/or C. Once inside the transmission line, some of the energy density leaks
out sideways into the “conductors”, as Guillemin says. Most carries on between
the guiding conductors at the speed of light. All very simple, but kept away
from all students and text books today. Jackson only sends a sine wave down a
transmission line, replete with losses and complicated mathematics.
Ivor Catt
14.3.2022